When they go low, we go high. Or not. [Politics]

"MrSnrub" (sv100) 07/16/2020 at 22:12 • Filed to: None

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You can always count on establishment Dems to be one step behind the Republicans in their march to the abyss. Cruelly punishing tens of millions of innocent people because they happen to be ruled by your political enemies? Yes we can!

gettingoldercarguy > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:22

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Two things:

1. Age limits/term limits

2. Cigar lounge

EL_ULY > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:23

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Lol everyone is dumb

fintail > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:24

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Nature/science will punish those bastions of freedom and justice enough.

Help the people who don’t support the moronic leadership in second world America.

Spanfeller is a twat > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:29

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I don’t actually find this dumb at all. How is the relief money gonna help if there’s no active intent on using it on what a vast majority of experts agree is the adequate way of acting based on everything they’ve learnt? This is like giving arsonists fire extinguishers .

If anything, those without empathy are the stupid governors promoting mask wearing as some sort of culture war issue.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:30

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The beatings will continue until morale improves

Under_Score > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:32

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Do you know what needs a mask, though?

My car. There’s a million dead bugs on the front and the front plate. It’s gross. I was thinking about those clear bras today, but I don’t know how that would work with a front plate installed. The bracket is installed in a way that makes it pretty much impossible to take off.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > gettingoldercarguy 07/16/2020 at 22:34

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We sure don’t need seventy and eighty year old senators/potus. The issues ahead are nothing they can relate to, they try to ignore it all. 

MrSnrub > gettingoldercarguy 07/16/2020 at 22:34

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Under_Score > gettingoldercarguy 07/16/2020 at 22:34

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“Age limit.”

I think that’s a bipartisan compromise we can all agree upon. It’s crazy that Ron Desantis seems super young, but he’s still in his 40’s. Even AOC is touted as being super young, but she’s already 30.

I know you have to be 25 for the House, all that, but it’s just interesting that the Squad is bashed for being a bunch of “young people” when AOC, by far the youngest, is born before 1990.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 07/16/2020 at 22:35

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Trump could use a good beating, I think his morale would improve.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:37

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Hey we are too busy promoting products   to worry about that flu going around!

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/16/2020 at 22:37

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But beating his most supportive constituents by extension is a bit harsh.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 07/16/2020 at 22:40

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I don’t know how to fix stupid, they will end up dying I guess. It’s insane the president is just deciding medical matters. I can see anyone sane just following what Fauci says to the letter.

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat 07/16/2020 at 22:45

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This is presumably more economic stimulus, so it’s mostly going to the super-rich anyway, but some of it would still help people in red states. Withholding it when we’re already at a 50-year peak in civil unrest and on the verge of an enormous eviction crisis strikes me as downright dangerous. Feinstein should call it the Let Them Eat Cake Amendment.

WilliamsSW > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 22:56

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That’s...  incredibly stupid.  

MrSnrub > Under_Score 07/16/2020 at 23:00

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You have an Alltrack right? I got a tow hook license plate mount for my GTI, it should work for any Mk7:

http://www.usmillworks.com/vw.html

If you already have a dealer-installed plate you could probably get the clear bra cut around it.

Just Jeepin' > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:00

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Because there’s nothing that makes GOP governors more likely to do the right thing than Democratic senators making threats.

Now, Trump making threats they listen to. 

Spanfeller is a twat > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:02

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More to my point... what’s the point of giving money to a region that’s constantly shooting itself in the foot with loose sanitary measures ? In the balance of things, giving the money to more responsible states that will use it effectively is what the federal government should be doing.

I’d say that specially because there’s going to be an eviction crisis, assholes in government should fucking bleed . Lets see how thick their party line truly is, or if they have an ounce of personal and collective responsibility in them. In the end, being governor is not a game, and somehow I feel that lately governors have both taken themselves too seriously, and too lightly. They don’t recognize that if people die it is their responsibility .    

I’m sorry if I sound out of touch, but the feds have a commitment to ALL citizens, and that means, in times of crisis and budgetary restrictions, saving as many people as possible with the fewest resources. It just so happens that there’s a political privilege here for the states with governors that don’t have their heads up their asses.  

facw > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/16/2020 at 23:05

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I’m not sure that meets Oppo’s SFW rules, but I can’t feel bad for Ivanka, who seems as ethically challenged as her father.

Under_Score > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:10

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Hmm, I’ll have to seriously think about it. I want to take care of the car. My washer fluid is already low, so I’m a little like “gasp, what do I do?!” Avoiding most dealer adds was something I liked about the dealership I worked with, so most accessories are up to me now.

As for the content of this post, I love when politicians or celebrities try to not be problematic but end up being more problematic than the side they criticize. Y’all know how I feel about masks, but I feel like businesses are stepping up to the point that government  mandates aren’t even required. If you want to leave to do anything, even going to an “essential” business, pretty much all are requiring (or will require) face coverings. Even regional chains in conservative areas, like Publix, will require masks.

This seems like the July version of April’s “stay home” orders. The “stay home” orders were kind of irrelevant when pretty much every restaurant chain closed indoor dining & “non essentials” closed themselves. Conservatives love to paint businesses and capitalism as being conservative, but a lot of businesses seem to have progressive policies.*

*Or so it appears.

gettingoldercarguy > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:15

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Oh, I get it and I agree with most of the stuff posted on here. I do know it alienates people and results in a smaller community. I’d rather talk about cars, and that's where I'm coming from.

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat 07/16/2020 at 23:34

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Well if money is a scarce resource maybe that reasoning makes sense, but I think the past few months have shown that the US treasury can will trillions of dollars into existence with few ill effects, so this really just seems to be done out of spite, or for the sake of political brinksmanship without regard for the human suffering it will cause (like the Democrats have cared about that in like 50 years, lol)

MrSnrub > Under_Score 07/16/2020 at 23:41

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I think masks should be mandated, but if that’s what Feinstein is trying to get the holdouts to do, it’s a misguided and tone-deaf strategy. If anything I’d expect the holdouts to double down.

Conservatives love to paint businesses and capitalism as being conservative, but a lot of businesses seem to have progressive policies.*

Reminds me of this

Ash78, voting early and often > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:47

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Lame attempt. In most cases, governors not issuing these orders are expressing that they’re leaving the decision to local authorities, or that the mandates are so unenforceable as to be just a token gesture at all. That said, Alabama ordered it yesterday while Georgia defied it. The rules are all over the board.

OTOH, people without masks in public (indoor) spaces probably ought to be prosecuted or at least subjected to tracking.  I’m glad to see most private sector companies pushing for mask policies.

I’m sort of a Libertarian with a Socialist “Break Glass” provision. Basically if we fuck up personal responsibility, don’t be surprised when The Man focrces your hand. Best bet is to do what’s right in the first place.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > MrSnrub 07/16/2020 at 23:59

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The Dems learned their lesson in the last election... that going high gets you nowhere.

So now when the Republicans go low, kick ‘em while they’re down there going low.

If you have a problem with that, stop supporting the dotard-in-chief and the party that enables him. They’re the ones that got us to this place.

And if you don’t like that dose of reality, that’s too bad.

Suck it up, buttercup 

MrSnrub > Ash78, voting early and often 07/17/2020 at 00:01

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I think m asks should be mandated in every state, but I don’t see how this is going to make that happen. It’s going to make the culture war governors even angrier and dig in their heels, while their prisoners  constituents suffer needlessly. 

MrSnrub > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/17/2020 at 00:11

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I’m all for going scorched earth against Republicans, but not if  millions of Democrats and innocent non-voters are in the firing line too.

thatsmr > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 00:20

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So a tit for tat (which im not about) after funding for schools threatened to be taken away from states who dont fully reopen schools? I hate black or white politics, but Feinstein is on the better side of Trump/DeVos in this case

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 00:51

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And then what? Get the sheriff's deputies to issue citations? Or have Harvey the Checker at Walmart be an enforcer? I don't disagree with you but it's problematic.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 01:09

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One of the most fascinating things I’ve come to realize is how much push there has been to involve politics in aspect of life when it really shouldn’t actually be a factor. I suppose this is because of your election year but it’s quite stark.

Just looking at the FP article ‘GM didn’t know anything about Trumps stunt’. Does it really matter? Just because he used some Chevy trucks is everyone going to think (or be coerced by the media) that GM/Chevy is some degree of affiliation Republican? He mentioned the F-150 in his July 4th speech...

This is getting more batshit by the day. Where people live, the media they consume and engage with , hell even certain foods they purchase are now a strict political and cultural identifier .

t0ast > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 02:02

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On one hand, I get your point, but on the other, you’ve got states like mine that brought us this back in May...

... going on to spend $15m of federal COVID relief money to promote tourism . One can’t help but wonder if we might have actually been better off without that.

MrSnrub > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2020 at 03:35

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Citations issued to people not wearing a mask in public spaces when an officer is present  seems reasonable to me.

DipodomysDeserti > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 05:33

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My city and county have a mask requirement, yet most of the cops I see aren’t wearing them.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 07/17/2020 at 05:40

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Because a good deal of people are wearing masks and trying to protect themselves even though they aren’t being forced to. Also, many cities and counties have instituted they’re own mask requirements without a need for the state to issue one.

Arizona doesn’t have a mask requirement, but Maricopa and Pima county do, which comprise like 70% of our population. Most northern cities also have mask requirements. Our biggest population centers lean blue, and have mask requirements, so it wouldn’t make too much sense to punish those voters because our governor is angling for a Trump appointment.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2020 at 07:20

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But they're special.

Under_Score > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 07:34

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Haha that’s why I had the asterisk. 

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2020 at 08:26

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Arizona is a great example of why the senator is not being insensible. Rural communities have fewer hospitals and would require (generally) of large urban centers for treatment.

Since rural areas are less connected, the virus would spread in blocks of people who were in contact, and it would last longer there. If rural areas constantly need attention from urban ones, and will have the virus floating around for longer... Then why not mandate masks there too? 

Spanfeller is a twat > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 08:27

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The US Treasury is in uncharted territory... No one really knows how much this debt could hurt the government, specially as despite all the aid and the debt, the US doesn't seem to have the epidemic under control. The effectiveness of the government has been challenged. 

I think its hard to blame it on politiking specifically because its a state by state mandate, and many red states have important democrat majorities in some districts and cities. This is a matter of outting the governors and putting them between a rock and a hard place.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 07/17/2020 at 09:16

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Just drove through some of the most rural areas of our state and masks were required in all the towns. Even if they weren’t, punishing 70% of the population, many of whom think their governor is a moron (he’s the only gov with a lower approval rating than Trump in his own state), seems like a boneheaded move.

Milky > t0ast 07/17/2020 at 09:26

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Jesus Christ, thats not what that was for.  

and 100 more > MrSnrub 07/17/2020 at 09:54

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The march toward tyranny goes Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right... 

BigBlock440 > Spanfeller is a twat 07/17/2020 at 11:24

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Did you see the shitfit when Trump suggested withholding federal funds from sanctuary cities?  

BigBlock440 > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 07/17/2020 at 11:29

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You’ve got your timeline a bit off there, this didn’t start this decade.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2020 at 11:34

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But if all towns require it... what difference does it make to mandate it at the state level?

BigBlock440 > Under_Score 07/17/2020 at 11:37

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Conservatives love to paint businesses and capitalism as being conservative, but a lot of businesses seem to have progressive policies.*

Progressive policies would be waiting on the government to do it, “conservative” would be deciding for yourself if it’s necessary.

A big, wide-open warehouse club type where there’s only one or two recorded cases in the entire county and several surrounding? Absolutely no need whatsoever for masks. A tiny, cramped corner store in a densely packed hotspot?  There’s cause for action there.  But the “progressive” policy says both absolutely need to require masks, or the jack-booted thugs will come pay you a visit.

Spanfeller is a twat > BigBlock440 07/17/2020 at 11:38

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The difference being that many experts would say that illegal immigrants aren’t an astounding source of problems in their communities nor do they cause problems in other communities . Also, illegal immigrants are a fed-made issue by strangling immigration courts and having unsustainable immigration laws.

I think those two issues cannot be compared.

I also think that the fed gov doesn’t have a single “standard” on when to be strict or loose with the states because the huge range of issues that impact governance at a state and federal level can be handled in different ways.

It’s up to criteria... which is why I don’t see any shifts or ironies or equivalences. 

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 07/17/2020 at 13:43

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It doesn’t make a difference, which is why this is BS politicking from both sides. If these people focused on streamlining testing, instead of trying to score political points, we’d be in a much better spot.

Withholding funds from people in need in the middle of an economic and public health crisis because you don’t like their governor is just as stupid as telling people not to wear masks.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2020 at 14:09

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It doesn’t make a difference

Then it’s a Mexican standoff, and I’d rather have the governors blink first because they’re the babies in my mind.

As for the testing, I have no clue how it’s going in Americaland. 

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 07/17/2020 at 16:21

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I’d rather have them do something that actually makes a difference rather than trying to get their names on the news cycle.